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January 11, 2009

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"[F]orcing electric utilities and other entities that buy energy to purchase a mix of energy without appropriate price signals is not a good idea."

Why not? We've done a lot of this in the last 35 years or so, including the requirement that utilities buy electricity from co-generation projects at "avoided cost." The amazing achievements of the Clean Air Act and State analogs all resulted from command and control regulations with nary a price signal. Surely, you're not proposing to replace tried and true methods with an untested method without at least a comparative discussion. Or are you?

Roger,

The forced demand will increase the price of renewable energy. The decreased demand for dirty nonrenewable energy will decrease its price. The prices are moving in the opposite direction of where they need to go to provide the appropriate signals to energy consumers about the full social costs of the energy sources. Consumers will want to buy less green energy and more dirty energy. I don't know how all that would play out since it is not exactly textbook theory but there are some definite inefficiencies in that scenario.

And a sarcastic answer to your question: Yes, i'm suggesting we have no discussion. I'm that sort of dick.

And that's why we started a blog (with open comments). To limit discussion!

John,

The UK Climate Change Programme has a nice analysis on the cost-effectiveness of policies, where they conclude that regulations and taxes are much more cost effective than the subsidies at achieving the desired emission reductions.

So I think you're probably on strong ground with your hunch

One reason why it might be difficult to enact climate legislation during 2009 is that raising broad-based taxes during a recession is not a great idea (see Keynes). However, one of the features of carbon taxes and cap-and-trade with auctioned permits is that revenue is raised for the government in addition to achieving reductions in pollution.

Most of the Carbon Tax proposals I have seen are Revenue Neutral, in that there would be offsetting tax cuts, such as lower income taxes. I think it would be much better for the Carbon Tax revenues to be used to fund proactive GHG Reduction programs such as solar power subsidies, reforestation, alternate fuels development, etc.

Using Carbon Tax revenues to directly fund GHG Reduction programs has a major advantage in that the Carbon Tax rate could be set lower to achieve the same GHG Reduction goals, since the tax would reduce the use of GHG fuels and the tax revenues would be used to reduce GHG emissions. This approach should also appeal to a lot of environmentalists, since the Carbon Tax would be providing a dedicated revenue source for GHG programs.

I have a real problem with cap-and-trade policies. I do not think it is good business. Now I am NOT saying that we should do nothing about global warming, that would be suicide. I am however, thinking that creating a cap-and-trade system and setting it into law as a taxation device is trying to make something that has no value a thing which has forced value. The US economy is riddled with productive innefficiency, and this is causing the unemployment rate to rise as companies trim costs to keep their profits stable. If we introduce another commodity that has no actual value in the market place outside of a tax code, aren't we creating an even more conducive environment for productive innefficiency? (Which in turn will create more unemployment and lower demand for goods and services even further?) Not to mention the fact that all the products this country imports will become more and more expensive as the exporting countries in question are forced to charge higher prices for their merchandise (because we are buying less products from them)

The biggest problem with cap-and-trade for me is that it rewards success, and while i normally agree with this idea in principle, I think it does not address the real problem that global warming presents. We need the worst polluters to be rewarded for cleaning up their production processes. Companies that have already reduced their carbon footprint have internal reasons to do what they do, they run a tighter ship and are rewarded by a lower cost of production. We do not need to create a cap-and-trade system that rewards these environmental business pioneers. We need to reward dirty producers who take the requisite steps to clean up their operation. In terms of efficacy, you get a larger decrease in pollution by cleaning up a dirty company by 20% than you get from further cleaning up a clean company by 20%. Additionally, it is also geometrically more expensive to clean up a cleaner company than it is to clean up an already dirtier company.

Invisible Hand,

The main reason that carbon tax proposals are generally revenue neutral is for distributional reasons. Carbon taxes (as with most environmental policies) are inherently regressive, and cutting pre-existing taxes can alleviate some of the adverse distributional effects of a GHG policy. Moreover, there is a "double dividend" argument at play: by cutting pre-existing (distortionary) taxes, we can cut GHG emissions AND get rid of some inefficiencies in the labor market. This would not be the case if we used the revenues in the way you propose.

It should also be noted that a cap-and-trade scheme can be revenue-raising if some (or all) of the permits are auctioned off by the government. We can begin by giving them out gratis for political reasons, but eventually we could move to an auctioned system.

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