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September 19, 2005

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Oh my. I can't believe it--I totally agree with this post!

Still, despite the fact that a gas tax is probably a good idea, middle and upper class Americans still get uppity about it--even supposedly forward thinking people. Just check out some of the comments to this post. (And don't let them fool you into thinking they're opposed to it because the government will abuse the profits. That might be true, but really, they just don't want to fork out either.) I, of course, can afford to be self-righteous about it since I live in NYC.

"A tax on gasoline is not regressive across the lowest incomes but is regressive from middle to high incomes."

I'm happy to see my intuition confirmed.

Yes John, you mentioned the part about fixing the gas tax regressivity (is that a word?) and you were rude. Can I go back to sleep now?

Expenditure on gasoline and motor oil as percent of household income before taxes falls consistently as income is higher, according to the most recent Survey of Consumer Expenditures. By the ordinary standards of tax policy, it is going to take a tortured redefinition of regressivity to make motor fuel taxes anything other than regressive with that data. That doesn't mean that an extremely high motor fuel tax isn't good policy, just that it will be regressive according to normal ability to pay standards.

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ce/standard/2003/income.txt

Interestingly, the "0-5000" group spends more on gas than the 5000-9999 group. Wonder if this is mainly because of college students?

Looks to me like if you compare the 5K-9.9K group with the 15K-19.9K group, you don't see any regressivity - more like a flat tax. From where did you conclude that it was regressive across the board?

"middle and upper class Americans still get uppity about it--even supposedly forward thinking people."

Well, just don't forget us red-neck backward people as well...we dumb and hate them gas taxes.
Anyway it comes as no suprise to me that those who endorse the idiology of Mo, Hitler and Stalin name themselves forward thinking. Hey by the way how is that war on poverty going for ya?

"I, of course, can afford to be self-righteous about it since I live in NYC"

yeah cuz your whole city is heated, lit and run on oil...one of the only cities in the world to still do that by the way.

"Anyway it comes as no suprise to me that those who endorse the idiology of Mo, Hitler and Stalin name themselves forward thinking. Hey by the way how is that war on poverty going for ya?"

Please, everybody, no more Hitler comments here.

"Please, everybody, no more Hitler comments here."

So I take it Stalin and Mao comments are OK? :)

Anyway I concure with the oil drum ...that gas taxes are regresive and that should not be the argument against it...the argument against a gas tax is "it will achive nothing towards a non-existant problem" there is nothing wrong with cheap oil..it is enviornmentaly friendly compared to most cost effective alternatives, it is cheap, and it is safe to transport. One day oil will lose its importance in the energy market...but just like the stone age didn't end for the lack of stones, the oil age will not end for the lack of oil.

Hey here is a question that will piss everyone off...why is there oil on Titan when there is no signs of life on Titan?

and no i am not hinting that there is life on titan or hinting that if we run out of oil here we can always get oil from titan...i am hinting that terrestrial oil is not produced through biological means and that it exists in near inexaustable quantities.

"there is nothing wrong with cheap oil"

How about being addicted to cheap oil? That's where we are in this country. Imagine what happens to suburbia if gas hits $10/gallon.

Whether or not a tax is "regressive" is simply unknowable ex ante by inspection of its administration. In an economy where prices and wages are mostly set by individuals operating in a market environment, the cost of any tax will be passed through the market system in myriad ways.

A tax on labor may increase wages. A tax on capital may increase its return at the expense of labor. A tax on consumption, such as gas tax may, increase the cost of labor and depress the return to capital.

Given the above, the better criteria for asseing a tax include its cost of administration and its intrusiveness in the economy.

"How about being addicted to cheap oil? That's where we are in this country. Imagine what happens to suburbia if gas hits $10/gallon."

your arguments get weirder and weirder...so what you are saying that high gas prices will destroy our civlization so we should raise taxes on gas?

Anyway I agree that gasoline has helped build our civilization...and in your remark about suburbia is some sort of critisism of sprawl of some such non-sense i would like to point to all the ghost towns of the west that are no longer there...they existed before gas powered cars and went away after the invention of cars....the heart of america has depopulated since the invention of the car...not the other way around.

sprawl is caused by bad regulation and the erotion of private property rights....if you want i can explain to you how zoning regulations promote sprawl.

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